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Dave Abernathy's avatar

I think that as always, Christians can see the "miracle" of scientific understandings as gifts from God, placed THIS side of the "natural/'supernatural'" divide. Seen that way, the term "supernatural" is not a particularly useful term. In other words, we ought not chase God into further and more obscure corners of that which is not understood, but rather cherish God's presence in our lives and being.

You, Sy, have said with more eloquence than I could ever muster, that the mere fact of mathematical rules for the operation of physics; so-called "fine tuning" of the parameters that provide for life; the "third rock" parameters giving us warm summer meadows; none "have" to be or can be explained by some underlying rule. All exist this side of the "natural/'supernatural'" divide.

What the further revelations of science will do is not "crowd out" the supernatural, but bring to light the intricate and beautiful truth of God's creation. And that I do look forward to.

Katherine McFarland's avatar

Dr. Garte,

Thank you for this essay. One of the things I appreciate about your writing is your insistence that science should not confuse the limits of current understanding with the limits of reality itself.

In fact, it seems to me that there have been real moments of breakthrough in science that have been, unfortunately, “ghettoized" as being metaphysical ( read: “ woo woo”) because there was not a protocol in place to test them.

I am thinking specifically of the question that arises with Einstein’s famous relativistic equation \(E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2\) (where \(E\) is energy, \(m\) is mass, \(p\) is momentum, and \(c\) is the speed of light).

In it, one obtains two mathematical solutions for any given mass: one with positive energy and one with negative energy.

Einstein set aside the negative energy half because it appeared to violate physical reality—an object with energy less than zero seemed absurd.

And yet, if seemingly absurd questions are pursued ( and thankfully Dirac refused to be dissuaded from doing this!) there can be huge leaps in understanding.

For Dirac, ignoring the prevailing zeitgeist in the world of physics was ultimately a fruitful endeavor.

He predicted the existence of antimatter, specifically the positron.But if he hadn't proceeded with courage, no advance would have been made at that time by him.

I am speaking as a layperson here, and as a poet and not a scientist, but isn’t the fear or reluctance to treat the currently unexplainable as the potentially-possible, rather than summarily dismissing it or worse yet, mocking it, a signal moral failing in the scientific community, and the culture at large?

As I read your blog post, I found myself wondering about the concept of negentropy ( or even syntropy).

I have always been intrigued by the underlying question it attempts to address.

As you well know, entropy describes the tendency toward dispersion, disorder, and equilibrium.

Yet when I look at life, I see something that appears equally real: the gathering of parts into wholes, the emergence of increasing coherence, meaning, organization, and purpose. A seed becomes a tree. A fertilized egg becomes a person. Human beings gather memories into identity, words into stories, and acts of love into enduring relationships.

As a Christian, I do not see these things as accidental or untelated. I believe they point toward a Creator whose nature is not merely power but also order, purpose, and love.

Reading your discussion of agency and cognition in living systems made me wonder whether concepts such as negentropy/syntropy were discarded because they arrived before science possessed the conceptual tools to investigate what they were trying to describe, or the intellectual courage to investigate them?

In other words, is it possible that future science may develop a more rigorous way of describing the observable tendency of living systems toward increasing integration and purposefulness without reducing those realities to mere illusion or " woo woo" mysticism ?

Or do you think that current evolutionary and systems biology already account for everything that earlier thinkers were attempting to capture with ideas like negentropy/syntropy?

As Christians, we believe that creation is not ultimately grounded in chaos but in Logos.

I sometimes wonder whether the persistent appearance of order, meaning, and goal-directedness in life is a clue pointing toward truths that science has not yet learned how to articulate fully.

And as a poet, I see the concept of consilience as being a useful tool in forging a path forward.

Silo-ing knowledge, hampering or ignoring discoveries that we don’t yet have the tools to understand fully or mocking those who consider that all Truth is substantially “ of a piece” ( dare I say, a glimpse of God)...these are ideologies and accepted behaviors that are not at all generative for the human race.

I'd be grateful for your thoughts.

Katie McFarland

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